Passenger Vessel Association
The national voice of the US passenger vessel industry, the ferries, dinner boats, tour vessels and water taxis that carry people rather than cargo.
Financial profile
Passenger Vessel Association · EIN 52-1372232 · 501(c)(6)
| Fiscal year | Total revenue | Contributions | Program services | Total expenses | Net assets | Year end |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| FY2023 | $2,152,002 | $0 | $1,955,809 | $1,981,188 | $2,526,815 | Dec 2023 |
| FY2022 | $1,987,575 | $0 | $1,804,470 | $1,906,199 | $2,181,061 | Dec 2022 |
| FY2021 | $1,676,488 | $0 | $1,463,070 | $1,596,358 | $2,648,380 | Dec 2021 |
| FY2020 | $2,202,292 | $0 | $2,030,890 | $1,998,797 | $2,360,205 | Dec 2020 |
| FY2019 | $2,317,702 | $0 | $2,114,045 | $2,192,259 | $2,109,064 | Dec 2019 |
| FY2018 | $2,363,542 | $0 | $2,065,117 | $2,079,630 | $1,638,976 | Dec 2018 |
Figures exactly as reported. A blank cell was blank on the form. The fiscal year links to the filing.
Peer societies
Five societies Passenger Vessel Association is read alongside.
AWO
The American Waterways Operators
The national trade association for the tugboat, towboat and barge industry, the inland and coastal fleet that…
5 companies named
AAPA
American Association of Port Authorities
The trade association representing seaport authorities across the Western Hemisphere, advocating for port…
28 companies named
NTA
National Tour Association
A trade association for the packaged travel and tourism industry, connecting tour operators, destinations…
57 companies named
NMMA
National Marine Manufacturers Association
The trade association representing recreational boating manufacturers, producing major boat shows, advocating…
206 companies named
APA
American Pilots' Association
The national organization of the state licensed maritime pilots who board and guide large ships through…
3 companies named
Who backs PVA
No public supporter list found as of September 2026.
Who backs Passenger Vessel Association's peers, but not Passenger Vessel Association
Companies named publicly by at least one of Passenger Vessel Association's five peer societies, and not found in Passenger Vessel Association's reviewed public records.
| Company | AWO | AAPA | NTA | NMMA | APA | Peers |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 314 Tourism | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| 39-Degrees-South-web.jpg | BRONZE | 1 of 5 | ||||
| 50 State DMV | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| 727122135-vox_abeatapart_orange.png | SILVER | 1 of 5 | ||||
| a closer look tours logo | SILVER | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Acacia Research Corporation | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| AECOM | Gold Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Airwallex | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| American Family Insurance | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| American Modern Insurance Group, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Anderson-Vacations.jpg | BRONZE | 1 of 5 | ||||
| aon_logo_signature_red_rgb-1.png | Corporate Partners | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Apperone | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Applied Technology and Management, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Arch RoamRight | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Autodesk | Silver Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Available_Infrastructure | Event Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| AvisBudget2.jpg | Corporate Partners | 1 of 5 | ||||
| AXA Travel Insurance | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Badger-Bus-web.jpg | BRONZE | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Battleface | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| BBK | Event Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Bellingham Marine | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Bergan | Named | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Berkley_Offshore_logo_vertical (002) | Named | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Best Marine Products | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Biltmore-web.jpg | SILVER | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Black Widow Imaging | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Blue Harbor Management | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Blue Water Finance | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| BMO | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Boat Fix, Inc | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| BOAT International Media | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Boating Industry | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Boatmart | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Boats Group | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Boats Only LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| BoatSetter | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| BoatTest.com | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| BoatTrader.com | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Bobs Machine | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Bowman | Event Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| BR (blankrome.com) | Event Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Brand Lab Gear, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Brown & Joseph | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Brunger Export Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Brunswick Financial Services | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| BST Associates | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Business In Travel | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| C-Map USA | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| C. Raymond Hunt Associates, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| C. Sherman Johnson Co., Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| centaurcopy.jpg | Corporate Partners | 1 of 5 | ||||
| centerline | Named | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Charles A. Perry and Company | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| chase.jpg | Corporate Partners | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Chubb Personal Insurance | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Chuck Hovey Yachts, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Citi | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| CohnReznick | Gold Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| ComMar Sales, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Compass Marine Services, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Consolidated Electronic Distributors Corp. (CED Marine) | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| CozenOConnor | Gold Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| CP (corepower.energy) | Gold Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| CP Performance Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Cutwater | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| CWR Electronics | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| D.A. Davidson & Co. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| dcli.com | Bronze Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| DealersCircle, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| DeAngelo Marine Exhaust, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Deloitte | Platinum Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| deltacopy.jpg | NTA's official airline | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Derema Group | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| DiMillo's Yacht Sales | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Diversified Yacht Services, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Dominion Enterprises | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Donovan Marine, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| duPont Registry | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| E&P Marine, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Ed-Ventures-web.jpg | SILVER | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Edgewater Resources | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| EMO Electric, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Envision Company | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| esri | Event Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| F3 Marina | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Firecrown Media, Inc | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Fishmedia Corp t/a The Fisherman Magazine | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Flitz International, Ltd. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Florida Bow Thrusters | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Fly-My-Group.jpg | Corporate Partners | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Forest River Marine | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Freedom Boat Club | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Fuel 1 LLC dba Fuel 1 Solutions | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| FWBC dba Freedom Boat Club of Maryland and DC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| G.S.W. & Associates | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Galati Yacht Sales | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| GEMECO Marine Accessories | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Germain Yachts of Staten Island LLC dba SI Yachts | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| GetMyBoat | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| GLDD | Gold Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Global Marine Associates Ltd. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Global Marine Insurance Agency, a Division of Specialty Program Group, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Grand Banks Yachts | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Green Star Marine | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Greenspring Media/Group Tour Magazine | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Group Travel Leader | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Group Travel Odyssey | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| GroupCollect | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| grouptravel2.jpg | Corporate Partners | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Hagadone Marine Group | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Haimes Coleman Group | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Harris Publishing, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| hdr | Gold Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Heaven-Hill.jpg | SILVER | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Heilind Electronics, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Honda R & D Americas, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Honigman Miller Schwartz and Cohn LLP | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Huntington Distribution Finance | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Hyatt-Ad.png | BRONZE | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Hytech - Marol, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| IBEX, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Image Base | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| IMGlobal | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| IMTRA Corporation | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Info-Link Technologies, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Informa Markets | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Innovative Travel Acquisitions | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| International Boating & Sports, Ltd. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| International Leisure Products, Promarine Division | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| J.D. Power | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Jacobs | Gold Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| JC Ramsey & Company, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Jerry's Marine Service FL, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Jones_Walker | Event Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Journal_of_Commerce | Media Partners | 1 of 5 | ||||
| K & L Gates LLP | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Ken Cook Company | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Kenton Smith Advertising & Public Relations, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| King Plastic Corporation | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Lake Viking Marine, Inc | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Langer Krell Marine Electronic | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Le Boat | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Leisure Appraisal | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Lenco Marine, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Lewis Marine Supply | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| LIF Publishing | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Lightspeed | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| logistec.com | Silver Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| LOGO LEONARDO_full red (002) | Named | 1 of 5 | ||||
| M & T Bank | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| MaCher | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Mack Boring and Parts Company | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Making-Memories-Tours-web.jpg | BRONZE | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Manitowoc Marina, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Marina Chavon, S.A. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Marine Hardware, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| MarineMax Vacations | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| maritime_excutive | Media Partners | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Markel American Insurance Company | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Marysville Marine Distributors Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Mate USA, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Matrix Capital Markets Group, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Mayflower-web-1.jpg | SILVER | 1 of 5 | ||||
| McMichael Yacht Brokers | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| MEECO Sullivan | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| MEMA Financial Services Group, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Ment-Law.jpg | Corporate Partners | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Merrimac Marine Insurance, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Merritt Supply Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| mobileops | Named | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Moorings, A Division of Mariner International | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Motor-Coach-Family-of-Brands-2-copy-300x225.png | PLATINUM | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Movement Marketing | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Nautical Boat Club | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| NorthPoint Commercial Finance | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Norwegian-Cruise-Line-web.jpg | GOLD | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Novamar Insurance Group | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Oasis Marinas LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Ocean Bay Marketing | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Ocean Marketing Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| OH Technologies, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Overlook Marine Group, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Panacea Yacht Group | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| parsons | Event Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Pasha | 2026 AAPA Annual Anchors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Perfect Processing | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Piedmont Lakes Pilot | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Pinnacle Business Solutions, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Port 32 Marinas | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Porta Performance | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Ports-America | Event Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| prestogeo.com | Event Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Princess Yachts America, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Pro Marine | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Professional Boatbuilder Magazine | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Progressive Insurance | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| ProtoTech LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| PSC Group | Named | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Quality Travel Solutions | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Radian IoT, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Red Sage Communications | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| redagentaonline.jpg | Corporate Partners | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Research & Design Innovations, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Rezometry | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Rightboat, Ltd. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Ring Power Corp. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Robert W Baird | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Roffs - Roffers Ocean Fishing Forecasting Service | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Roima | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Rollick | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Roof & Rack Products, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| RUPES USA Inc | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| S.M. Osgood Company | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Safe Harbor Marinas | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| SAIL Magazine | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| SailTime Group, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Sapphire Technical Solutions, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Satisfi-Labs_use.webp | Corporate Partners | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Sea Tow Atlantic City | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Sea Tow Boston | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Sea Tow New Orleans | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Sea Tow Newport Beach\LA | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Sea Tow Northern Chesapeake | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Sea Tow Northern New Jersey | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Sea Tow Services International, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Sea Tow Southern Connecticut | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Sea Tow Tampa Bay | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| SeaWide | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| SGL Sales & Marketing LLP | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Shey_Harding | Event Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| SHF Yachts, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Shining 3D Technology Inc | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Sirius XM Radio LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Softrip | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Southeast Productions, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Sports-Leisure-Vacations-web.jpg | BRONZE | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Springline | Silver Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Staples.jpg | Corporate Partners | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Statistical Surveys, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Strong-Key-2-scaled.jpg | SILVER | 1 of 5 | ||||
| StrongAuth | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Sunsail | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Suntex Marinas | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| swAdventureTours_ColorLogo_vert-002.png | GOLD | 1 of 5 | ||||
| TDP Designs LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Tecnoseal Marine Anodes USA, Inc | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| The Fisherman - New England NEF Publications, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| The Gartner Group | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| The GPS Store | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| The Moorings Power | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| The Puerto Rican Sea Group Inc | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| The-Group-Tour-Company-web-1.jpg | SILVER | 1 of 5 | ||||
| TIDALIS_LOGOTYPE (002) | Named | 1 of 5 | ||||
| til (tilgroup.com) | Event Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Titan Marine Distribution | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Total Dollar Yacht Insurance | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| TowBoatU.S. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| TowBoatUS Cape May & Maurice River | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| TowBoatUS Shamrock, Ocean City & Atlantic City | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Trader Interactive | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Trakkables Software Systems | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Transhield, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Travefy | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Travel Alliance Partnership | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Travelers Insurance | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Travelopia | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| TravelSafe Insurance | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Trident Marine Managers, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Trip Mate | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Truck_N'_Hustle | Media Partners | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Truist | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| U.S. Marine Marketing | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Unified Purchasing Group | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| United States Yacht Shows Inc | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| UPS.jpg | Corporate Partners | 1 of 5 | ||||
| US Bank | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| USE-Moran | Named | 1 of 5 | ||||
| USI Travel Insurance Services | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Vallen Distribution | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Verity Yacht Publications | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Viking Sport Cruisers | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Waterview Marinas | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Waterway Guide Media, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Wells Fargo Commercial Distribution Finance | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Wesgarde | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| West Marine | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| West Marine Pro | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Western Marine Marketing, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Westrec SMI, LLC | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| WeTravel | Associates | 1 of 5 | ||||
| White Water Marine Hardware | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Wiggins Lift Co., Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| William F. Miller & Associates | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| wsp | Gold Sponsors | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Yacht Trader | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Yachting Promotions, Inc. | Associate Division | 1 of 5 | ||||
| Yarmouth Boat Yard | Associate Division | 1 of 5 |
The outside view
The national voice of the US passenger vessel industry, the ferries, dinner boats, tour vessels and water taxis that carry people rather than cargo.
- Consensus
- Preserve
- Inward
- Operational
Their shape
The League
Far-flung, and stronger for it.
The League is a federation of many, where the value lives in the connections between its members and chapters. Its gift is reach and resilience, its challenge is holding a shared identity across all its parts.
Also reads toward The Guild and The Citadel.
Strengths
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